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Re: (NewTonG) | 2:56 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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Thanks, NewTonG!Regarding the light, from what I understand those lights are fibre-optic "ropes" and can be lit with basically any color you choose. If you check http://www.savezoneinc.net/risingsun/ you can see that the smokestack in that occasion is lit with a yellowish light rather than this Las Vegas Green-style. I have to say that this green is a bit... green for my taste As I am a newbie here, I have to ask whether it is common with such an extremely high finish on the paintjob on all yachts? I mean, you can almost use the hull as a mirror :-) See for example DSC00339, DSC00340 and DSC00344 in my album...
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Re: (dinghy110) | 5:33 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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great to see those pics, thanks.When I saw the first night-shots taken in the BVI I wondered if there are any regulations regarding overt green lighting on a boat - so as not to be confused with navigation lights, from a distance? Obviously, lying in Stockholm at the dock its a non-issue, but I wonder if the captain has to be cautious in other situations? Andy Lindy, you know the regs better than most, what do you think?
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Re: (gushl) | 5:50 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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These effect lights (whether it's LEDs or fiber optic lightning I don't know) are for decoration only. Like underwater lightning this kind of lightning may only be used when at anchor or moored at a dock. As you rightly assumed, any lightning that can be confusing or misinterpreted should not be used when the yacht is underway. Everything should be done to avoid collisions and other accidents at sea.
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 5:58 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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Thanks. Makes you wonder when you see cruise ships with lights of all colours blazing away - usually impossible to see the nav lights!!!
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 8:15 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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Rising Sun has now anchored in Malmo
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Re: (gushl) | 9:21 AM 8/19/2005 | |
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dinghy, to answer your question about the paint job, this type of workmanship is indeed common in the yacht world. The shine you were attracted to is a source of pride for the owners, crews, and yards.
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Re: (gushl) | 1:00 PM 8/19/2005 | |
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Well, she doesnt hang around does she - she's just pulled into Copenhagen. Do we have any spotters there?!(also, should we be reverting to the Larry Ellison/LE120/Rising Sun thread??)
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Re: (gushl) | 1:02 PM 8/19/2005 | |
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Rising Sun is moored at the port of Lomma, north of Malmö. The sailings will take place in the Lomma bight so Rising Sun is well placed.Having left Stockholm Thursday morning (August 18th), Rising Sun sailed as it seems straight down to Malmö. The training is already underway for the America's Cup in Malmö the boats having arrived by the Dutch transport ship M/V Schippersgracht a couple of days ago. Any yachtspotter in Malmö willing to post pictures?
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 5:50 PM 8/19/2005 | |
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This is my first posting, although I have followed this forum for a long time. Until now I have made contributions only to yachtspotter.com, but Andy Lindy's posting seemed like an invitation for me.Living in Malmö I have been eager to spot Rising Sun, and she appeared today. In the distance I could see her in the Lomma bight, around noon. I returned to the port at 1830 hoping to to see her make a grand entrance or being moored, but disappointingly I could not see her at all! I suspected what has been confirmed above, that she had gone to Copenhagen. Too bad about that, but I'll keep You posted. Hopefully she will show up in Malmö, but to be honest, there aren't many nice places to moor a yacht of her size i Malmö. Either she will have to moor in the comercial cargo port, or near the Louis Vuitton yachts where there is construction work taking place.
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Re: (Johan_) | 1:29 PM 8/20/2005 | |
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I'm not sure if this is the right place or not to post this, but....Does anyone know which yachts (in addition to Rising Sun) might show up in Malmo for the race? Where and when during the coming days will offer the best opportunity for yacht-spotting? Hopefully I might be able to visit Malmo for a day or two and I would love to see as many yachts as possible... A promise: I will bring my camera!
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Re: (mattias) | 3:47 PM 8/22/2005 | |
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I have no news about yachts that may attend the sailings, it has been very quiet about that. About when and where, I would guess that either during or after the matchraces there could be chances for yachtspotting. Any yachts will probably come to Malmö, and the quays are quite accessible with the exception for the commercial port area and the area with the racing yachts, which is fenced off and guarded. During the sailings You will probably have to go to Lomma or Bjärred (two smaller towns which You can access by bus). The best option is most likely see the races from one of the spectator boats. One of the more affordable options is "Sarpen", a sailing vessel owned by the Sea Scouts, You can contact them at info@sarpen.nu . For other options, contact the Tourist Office in Malmö at malmo.turism@malmo.se . I hope this will give some guidance to You!
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Re: (gushl) | 11:25 AM 8/23/2005 | |
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Does anybody know when she leaves Copenhagen???Hopefully if I can find out when she leaves, I will try to go and take some pictures of her..., if anybody knows when?????
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Re: (TvergaardOne) | 11:28 AM 8/23/2005 | |
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Rising Sun at Stockholm: http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01610 http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01609 http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01606 http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01605 http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01604 http://www.shipspotting.com/mo...01603
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Re: (TvergaardOne) | 12:23 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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She has now left Copenhagen! She is once again off the coast of Malmö, in a similar spot to where she was seen immediately before heading across to Copenhagen.
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| 12:35 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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I hope she goes back to Copenhagen. I would love to see photos of her there.
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Re: (gushl) | 12:41 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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Okey, but do you know when she is going back to the Med again? I would REALLY REALLY like to know this, so I can go and take some shots of her when she goes north of Denmark, which is the only way she can go back...Thanks i.a.
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Re: (TvergaardOne) | 1:07 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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Why do you say that the only way to go from Malmö to the Med is by Skagerak north of Jutland? It would also be possible for Rising Sun (and other yachts or ships) to transit the Kiel Canal which would be more fun. I don't think Rising Sun would save much time though as she is very fast in the open sea.Louis Vuitton Acts 6&7 will be finished on September 4th. It's impossible to know beforehand the movements of Rising Sun. When she was to leave Stockholm the official time was August 17th at 2PM. But she didn't leave until the next morning. It's part of the game - disinformation. And in the specific case the owner is known to show up at the most unexpected time and place...
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 1:42 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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As you said, she is very fast in open sea, and why should she go trough the Kiel Canal? That takes a lot of time to get through, so its much faster to go north of Denmark.
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Re: (TvergaardOne) | 1:58 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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In the case of Rising Sun I think transiting the Kiel Canal and rounding Denmark would take more or less the same amount of time. The canal transit takes 7-9 hours and saves 250 nautical miles of sailing. And as I said, it may be more fun to transit the canal compared to a windy and probably quite bumpy North Sea crossing.
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Re: (gushl) | 2:03 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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gushl, I cant see her on Google Earth in Malmø. Do you know where she is then???
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Re: (TvergaardOne) | 2:09 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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Google Earth is not what CIA and Pentagon get! "Google Earth acquires the best imagery available, most of which is approximately one to two years old" according to the Google Earth website.
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 4:47 PM 8/23/2005 | |
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She was anchored in the Lomma bight during the afternoon. At 6 pm she made very slow progress along the coast and picked up guests who were transferred by one of the Louis Vuitton tenders from Malmö.
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Re: (Johan_) | 6:18 AM 8/24/2005 | |
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She has raised the hook and is moving - slowly - not sure where she's off to now, seems to be in a southwards direction. Probably wont be far. Maybe she's scouting the race course to check for micro-local wind conditions!!!! A local paper in Sweden apparently got in touch with a shipping agent, who confirmed that they have booked her a place on a quay in Malmö... the story didnt elaborate which dock though: (sorry, its in Swedish! see fourth paragraph) http://sydsvenskan.se/malmo/article115765.ece
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Re: (gushl) | 6:32 AM 8/24/2005 | |
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Rising Sun at Cartagena Yacht Port:http://www.bymnews.com/photos/...s=102
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| 3:29 AM 8/25/2005 | |
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Did we ever speak of how much fuel Rising Sun would consume at full speed? I started thinking about that when we discussed whether it would be a good idea to round Denmark compared to go by the Kiel Canal.At 36,000kW Rising Sun would consume 199 g/kWh giving a total of 7,164 kgs or 8,631 litres assuming a specific gravity of 0,83 for marine diesel oil. Assuming that one metric ton of MDO is $530 (yesterday at Rotterdam) the fuel would cost $3,800 every hour. I'm not including what would be consumed by the (max) four 1,040kVA generator sets. Of course fuel is not the big issue here - I really don't think the fuel bill is so important when you consider the total annual cost for a yacht like Rising Sun. One more interesting fact: The four MTU 20V 8000 M90 engines have a total weight of 186,000kgs!
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 9:31 AM 8/25/2005 | |
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wow thanks Andy!! I love facts like that. The picture ITA75 is refering to is found on page 9.
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Re: (Aussie Ben) | 9:55 AM 8/25/2005 | |
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Yes the pic is on pag 9, but the position changes at every upload
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Re: (ITA_75) | 3:52 PM 8/26/2005 | |
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Go to: http://www.gmx.net/de/themen/a....htmlClick on the yellow writing "Bildergalerie", then "Unser Video in Bildern" and then picture 9. (This link will work only for a short while, I guess)
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Re: (weser) | 5:17 PM 8/26/2005 | |
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other photo of Rising Sun in Stockholm:http://community.webshots.com/...sMgeo http://hem.bredband.net/b265820/rising_sun/ http://gadgets.fosfor.se/risin...e-410
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Re: (ITA_75) | 5:24 PM 8/26/2005 | |
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Is it me, or does the first picture look like a low building with RS towering over it?/still not a fan of the styling.
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| 7:19 PM 8/26/2005 | |
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An update from the America's Cup/ Louis Vuitton sailings in Malmö:August 25 was windy, rainy and simply did not show Malmö from its best side. The America's Cup village was, according to my opinion, well designed and I also got the impression that the event was well organized. Because of the unfriendly weather there where however probably more staff and security personnel than visitors. I was VERY sad and disappointed to realize that not one single yacht could be found (at least not in the non-restricted areas) in Malmö harbor. One of the many security staff that where guarding the empty super-yacht quays told me that Rising Sun had left for Copenhagen and two other yachts, which he had guarded, had left as well. Today, August 26, was windy as well but also offered (mostly) a nice blue sky and sunshine. Determined to not return home before I had seen Rising Sun, I started the day by heading to the small port of Lomma, north of Malmö. From there I could spot her characteristic profile against the Öresund bridge (connects Sweden and Denmark). I quickly speeded back to the America's Cup village, from where I was finally able to take a few nice photos of the yacht, which was securely moored far out from land and nosy yacht spotters. About 12am, shortly before the start of the day's first race, Rising Sun fired up her engines and quickly sailed away, past Lomma and moored somewhere outside of Bjärred, from where she could closely observe the day's action. Of course I later also went there and took a few more photos. It was both beautiful and dramatic to see her silhouette, together with the competing yachts, the replica of the historic Göteborg sailing ship and what I think was the Royal Danish yacht, with the great bridge in the background. Unfortunately, all my photos are from great distance. They are nice in there own way (at least to me) but don't offer a lot of details. I will try to email one to Diane during the weekend so it can be shared with the rest of you. Now I hope that someone with better luck can contribute some more details and hopefully a few more photos...
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Re: (jased) | 9:32 AM 8/27/2005 | |
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Jased-Sorry, it's not just you. It does kind of look that way. I've been very vocal in my dislike of the design. In some (not many) shots she is sleek and elegant, and I find myself starting to warm up to her though. There is a fine line between minimalism and sterile looking. In the case of RS, her interior would be the deciding factor. A warm but minimalist interior could change my view about her, but since we will probably never see any interior photos of her all we're left to comment on is the exterior. She does score points in my book for using a tried and true propulsion system, four 20 cylinder MTU's in a CODAD (combined diesel & diesel) configuration with two engines per shaft. Exactly the way they do it in naval frigates. Personally I'm leery of diesel/electric and azipod propulsion systems. Cheers
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Re: (Augur) | 10:19 AM 8/27/2005 | |
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Actually, Rising Sun has not two but four controllable pitch propellers. Each of the four prime movers acts on a propellershaft through a reduction gear. By this configuration Rising Sun can operate on any number of engines - usually two I think.
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 10:40 AM 8/27/2005 | |
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Thanks for the correction Andy. I was under the mistaken idea that there was a single-reduction unit with multiple-input. Hence two MTU's per shaft.Do you know if Carinthia VII shares the same configuration as Rising Sun? She certainly has the beam for it.
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Re: (Augur) | 10:46 AM 8/27/2005 | |
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Carinthia VII has four main engines, two reduction gears and two controllable pitch propellers. Thus each pair of engines drives one propellershaft through a reduction gear. I suppose you can use just one of the two engines in each pair obtaining a CODAD config.
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Re: (Andy Lindy) | 2:40 PM 8/30/2005 | |
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Thanks to mattias for these shots of Rising Sun during the race trials:
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Re: (dbyrne) | 2:41 PM 8/30/2005 | |
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pretty scene:
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Re: (dbyrne) | 4:34 PM 8/30/2005 | |
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Congratulations to the nice photos! It was better than what I managed to get from the shore of Malmö. Rising Sun has disappeared from the horizon now. I was out on one of the spectator boats last Sunday hoping to get a closer look at Rising Sun, but in vain. The only other superyachts/megayachts in Malmö are the 34 metre United Spirit and the 33 metre sailing yacht Imagine.
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Re: (Johan_) | 5:49 PM 8/30/2005 | |
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Thanks Johan! The first photo of the moored Rising Sun was taken from somewhere between the America's Cup village and the "Turning Torso" skyscraper. The last one was shot from the village Bjärred (notice the Öresund bridge in the background). I'm sorry for the photos being from long distance and a bit un-sharp but it was the best I could do with my little camera...
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